Dictionary & Browser Issues

Apologies. Question deleted as I had written rubbish and solved my own confusion.

The dictionary has a line Sorbus glabriscula | Sorbus hupehensis (Hupeh Rowan). glabriscula is a typo for glabriuscula. (There is also a line with a bare Sorbus glabriuscula; however it’s the former that has been used for the few observations of the taxon.)

GBIF doesn’t seem to agree with you - see:

yes, I agree entirely

Yes, I had to check though. Made me wonder why some are not travelling from France Cordulegaster bidentata Selys, 1843
Quite typically (@Chris_Valentine) the browser lies here Cordulegaster | Species Dictionary | UK and Ireland | iSpot Nature

POWO does. So does Stace and Sell & Murrell and Trees and Shrubs Online.

At the present rate, they probably will arrive here - hot on the heels of the Asian hornet, which we are being told to watch out for.

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If anyone is passing, would be good to move the Likely banner from my erroneous Sorbus Aucuparia: :slightly_smiling_face:

Missed this during the Focus. The banner has shifted!

Thanks! :grinning:
Plus more to reach 20 characters

There has been a spate of observations recently where users appear to have accidentally chosen a subspecies from a drop-down.
The two main causes seem to be -

  1. The first one on the list is a subspecies option (definitely the case with Meadow Brown), or

  2. The first one on the list with a common name displayed is a subspecies. Most seem unaware that you can manually edit the common name box once you’ve obediently picked the scientific one.

I do not know if it would be possible to ‘order’ the presentation of names to help prevent this: but I suspect not. Life is never that simple…

I am getting no-where with my regular suggestions that the Browser and iSpot Dictionary need a tweak or two
What WOULD be nice is a HOME Page panel laying out monthly issues.
Might be better than NEW: iForum LIVE or Spring Equinox etc

Of 176 Dog Vomits, there are 38 to Fuligo septica var septica which means TWO lists of Other Obs
Interestingly the var has far less agreements.
Who has the power to alter the Drop-down and suggest the Common name Flowers of Tan should not be used to get the ID?
And WHO might have the ‘authority’ to say which Sc. name we should use?
BUT is it important?

1 don’t know but someone should answer this reasonable question, not surprised fewer agreements to var, would-be agreer reads the ID panel and wonders about evidence for the var
2 really don’t know but think we should avoid any vars unless we present evidence for ID to var
3 yes because of the two lists situation which impedes use of other obs to help with ID finding

PUFF BALL genus Lycoperdon has nine entries in the drop-down
There are several NOT to use as they are Blind in the Browser
AND there is another Lycopodium here https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/uk-and-ireland/species-dictionary/NHMSYS0020536309/tubiferaceae (Slime Mould)

The ORDER of entries changes as you try them so it is not appropriate to say ‘the third one’
There is only ONE pure entry in the NHM, so this is an iSpot issue - related to Synonyms
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science/data/uk-species/search?searchType=equals&q=Lycoperdon&size=20&page=1
It really is time we began to tackle this problem (dozens of examples, some listed above) @miked @Chris_Valentine please


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See https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/uk-and-ireland/view/observation/872672/magic-puff

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(thanks) That was a reference to the difficulties with Runner bean IDs (Phaseolus)
Now see Runner Beans | Observation | UK and Ireland | iSpot Nature

Someone in iSpot should have access to, and full rights in, the Browser.
The Dictionary menu (Drop-down) should have an entry added immediately a serious issue is found


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We had a similar problem with kiwifruit.
It may just be one of those strange things but they are both vines that produce edible fruits.
We are likely to see more of these as the onset of winter gets slower giving time for the wood to ripen.

That problem is a little different but it nevertheless is annoying that some things that have many records in the UK, like Olive trees, are not in the dictionary and others like Elephant are.
My feeling in iSpot are that we should have access to the CoL (Global) dictionary in the UK Community and that, when used, it is shown clearly in the ID Panel (absence of NBN is obvious) but maybe a different coloured Panel.
Pie in the sky of course!
Though DO notice that PlantNet’s ‘contributions’ are trans-Dictionary.

It is a bit frustrating and it is like opening a can of worms.
With genetics adding more data it is likely going to get more frustrating in the short term.
Every change of Latin name leaves a legacy of old records on websites all over the world.
We may eventually have to be forced to use some kind of AI to sort it all out. The AI is not to be feared unless you are a moderator of a website who discovers that a Latin name has changed and that there is loads of updates that need to be done. That would be another job for AI.