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Elusive Elytropappus

@dejayM

Dictionary [Southern Africa National Biodiversity Institute]
Non-recommended synonyms for Elytropappus scaber are: Elytropappus glandulosus var. microphyllus, Elytropappus muricella, Myrovernix scaber
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DATE POSTED 30 January 2021 - the comment for dejay

Not worrying about this at present (if ever) what do you think?
M

Interesting… so far I have noted the following, some of which you have already listed.
I don’t know what (L.f) nor (L.fil).
Work in progress…

1.Elytropappus scaber (L.f.) Druce

http://redlist.sanbi.org/species.php?species=3029-12
(I don’t know why the preview says this link is not found)

Synonym of Myrovernix scaber (L.fil.) Koek.

Gives 1917.

2. Elytropappus scaber (L.f.) Kuntze

This is a synonym of Myrovernix scaber (L.f.) Koek.

2 is 1891 and 1898 elsewhere.

3. Elytropappus scaber (L.fil.) Levyns

Elytropappus scaber (L.f.) Levyns, 1935

3. Gbif says published 1935 & accepted

4. Myrovernix scaber (L.f.) Koek.

First published in Phytotaxa 403: 280 (2019)

Myrovernix scaber (L.f.) Koek. | Plants of the World Online | Kew Science

Unfortunately I could find no google scholar listing for phytotaxa 403: 280 (2019)

Did you mean you could find no unpaywalled version? The paywalled version of Phytotaxa 403(4): 248-284 is at https://www.biotaxa.org/Phytotaxa/article/view/phytotaxa.403.4.1

The abstract is reasonably informative.

Thank you, I did mean no unpaywalled version.
I may have library access to phytotaxa; I’ll try.

Thank you both for your interest -
I’ve been going ahead just posting my observations and linking them via a tag ‘myElytropappus’ .
There has always been a degree of discord among some folk - not really a north/south divide - maybe it just an academic thing - we mere mortals just need to do the best we can.
These comments from Tony and Riaan - spell it out.
Has this ever been published and per reviewed?

The comments here:
TONY (2012) - ‘I dont know why Elytropappus with 10 species has been split into umteen genera and why PRECIS is so fastidious about this when it has not been published, but so it is.
Sorry - that should be a “it might be this” - pressed the wrong button in my frustration that this is now some funny little genus.’
Then from RIAAN (2012)
‘Silly little genera split off from larger genera should be ignored, particularly so if the enacting nomenclatural deeds have not been validly published and are hence nomenclaturally unavailable [animals] or illegitimate [algae, fungi, plants]. Genera have a tendency to be larger rather than smaller, and “DNA taxonomy” has a tendency to cause splintered genera.
If it has not been published, it does not exist , no matter how fastidious PRECIS would like to be.
Sorry for the pedantic attitude. Congratulations on discovering The Fynbos.’
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2019 was published Then POWO today took me to
https://powo.science.kew.org/results?q=Elytropappus%20scaber#
Myrovernix scaber (L.f.) Koek.
This species is accepted,

First published in Phytotaxa 403: 280 (2019)
Accepted by Govaerts, R., Nic Lughadha, E., Black, N., Turner, R. & Paton, A. (2021). The World Checklist of Vascular Plants, a continuously updated resource for exploring global plant diversity. The World Checklist of Vascular Plants, a continuously updated resource for exploring global plant diversity | Scientific Data Scientific Data 8: 215.
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I guess by now it must have been peer-reviewed.
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My thought ‘I’ll just go on posting regardless - anything that isn’t shared is lost anyway M’

I wrote eatlier that I did not know (L. fil).
In this site Dicerothamnus rhinocerotis | PlantZAfrica
It says, speaking of “Derivation of name and historical aspects”,
“Renosterbos was originally described as Stoebe rhinocerotis by Carl von Linné filius (1741-1783), son of Carl Linnaeus.”

So I guess that’s it.

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There are a fair few pairs of father and son botanists, where “name f.” is used to denote the son as an authority for a name. Apart from L. f., the one that immediately comes to mind is Hook.f. for the younger Hooker. A search of IPNI finds a total of 30 such pairs.

Interesting
I’m able to find the Carl Linnaeus links but never the son
https://linnean-online.org/linnaean_herbarium.html
I do enjoy the Swedish Herbarium collections. Wondering how long they have been doing this -
Just found one for a Lobelia spotted at Cape Point - they’re never easy, but I think this seems to confirm my choice.

M

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Hi Lavateraguy,
I have interrogated the IPNI several times but failed to find a list Father et fil (which could include filia presumably).
I am keen to learn to learn how to do it … if you had the interest & time to teach me…

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Search using a regular expression

International Plant Names Index.
International Plant Names Index.

And this one is presumably a filia

https://www.ipni.org/a/17813-1

Thanks, I’ll follow your advice on Sons & Daughters.